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Wilshire host and we have a great guest

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on our show tonight Christy Newton and

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it's funny I met uh Well Chrissy threw

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emails and I think we talked on the

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phone a couple of times the last several

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years she's gotten us some great guests

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in the UFO world and I always knew her

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as a publicist that had really great UFO

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uh guests for engaging in this topic

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and then all of a sudden I saw a little

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while ago what what Chrissy's speaking

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somewhere and uh so I I didn't even know

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her well enough to know that she had a

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lifelong interest in this topic so uh

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we'll be talking about that and our blog

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from Charles Lear the author of The

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Flying Saucer invest Flying Saucer

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investigators he does our blog for us

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every week along with an audio blog this

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week is James W Mosley's considers a UFO

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crash story in 1955.

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um you know besides Roswell you wouldn't

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hear too much about that at all as a

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matter of fact Roswell that supposed

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Crasher whatever really happened it kind

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of went away real quickly within the

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next couple of days and a lot of people

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never heard about it until uh 1980 I

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believe it was something like that when

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uh Stanton Friedman uncovered the story

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uh but anyway so James Mosley was a UFO

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investigator all the way back in the

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1950s he died in 1912 another really

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good blog by Charles check that out on

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our website which is podcast ufo.com

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bring in my guest now Chrissy welcome to

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the show hey good to see you Martin yeah

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I was uh you know you must have heard me

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talking and I I was kind of like hey

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wait a minute she's out there talking

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about UFOs hold on she's the one who's

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getting all these guests so anyway uh so

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let's let's hear the story you you had

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an interest uh for a long time in this

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topic yeah since I've been a little girl

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my dad had a major UFO sighting with a

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group of people uh I believe it was like

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later 70s early 80s he was pretty young

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he was a teenager and he had a mass

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sighting well for him I guess it was it

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was five people I believe in a context

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of a mass sighting but a group sighting

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in just Northern Ontario he ended up

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seeing a UFO like a disc shape UFO going

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up near the highway near 401 I believe

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and going up north to a cottage and this

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UFO ended up they ended up kind of like

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following it for a couple hours but then

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when they pulled over they saw the UFO

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and they actually flashed their lights

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at it in the UFO flashback so my dad you

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know from from that point on obviously

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was like something's going on and then

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he took his scope they had like a they

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had a rifle so what he ended up doing

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was taking out the rifle and they

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weren't hunting they were doing

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nothing illegal but um anyway there's a

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scope on the on the gun and they ended

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up looking at it and the UFO ended up

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taking off down the highway and so you

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know almost like it almost like it

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detected a uh a gun aiming at it yeah

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sorry yeah it was a gun it was a rifle

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with a scope on the gun but they were

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just looking at it through the scope

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yeah yeah they weren't gonna harm it in

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any way but but they and they didn't

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shoot at it but what happened was the

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of threat and then it identified it and

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like took off down the road once they

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put the rifle at it with the looked

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through the scope so this was going

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along a road above a road that's kind of

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bizarre yes my dad has a photo of it and

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when you see in the photo it's really

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great because you can see perspective

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obviously as clear as we have HD now but

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the light post but then you also see the

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the car tail lights that are red so you

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can see the perspective and they were

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that big it was a small like little kids

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drone technology even though I believe

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it was ET related his feel though that

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somewhere else and he said and I feel

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that it was observing us he's like but I

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don't know if anything was in it he's

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like but I think that it was maybe off

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his own experience you know he he said

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that photo when I was a little girl and

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sparked all this amazing interest in me

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this because that's not unusual there's

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many times that people have done like a

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flashlight or flashing the lights and

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there's a reciprocal you know flashback

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would they have that on there or why

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thinking back yeah yeah I believe he

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and and that was the same conversation

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we were having around Bob Lazar doesn't

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mean Bob Lazar is right and

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authenticating any of this stuff but

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it's interesting because my dad followed

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the Bulbasaur story for years too and we

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actually saw Bob Lazar speak together I

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believe in my early 20s at the UFO

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Congress and that was an interesting

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moment for both of us especially for my

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story and that it was small and that it

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um is your father still interested in

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this topic oh yeah 100 and what does he

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think about everything since uh 2017 in

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the New York Times well I think for him

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he's happy it's mainstream he still

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won't talk about his experience publicly

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because he's just I think the ridicule

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of press he'll talk about it with

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friends and when people ask him but he

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doesn't want any he doesn't want to do

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publicity around it which I don't blame

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him my dad's a very private person but

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you know and he's like you can talk

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about it it's fine Chrissy but outside

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of that you know I think for him

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watching this unveil is amazing for him

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because he never thought that he'd be

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able to talk about it I think and people

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would actually really believe him

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outside of you know somebody that knows

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him so it's amazing and now what happens

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is he used to teach me so much and now

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it's reversing where you know I come

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hey like this is who I'm talking to this

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says this and I said this an interview

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before he recently he just goes wow like

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every time I come home where I tell him

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something he's like wow like it's so

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amazing to him and and I it's something

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special for me to be able to to keep

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talking about UFOs with him and with

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other people and have that shared

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experience and and hobby together right

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um I don't know if you caught the

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recently Gary Nolan I was trying to just

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find quickly where he was at

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um on the East Coast when he talked

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about when someone was asking questions

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about you know what do you think the

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possibility of um you know

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extraterrestrial life on this Earth did

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you happen to catch that yeah I saw a

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little clip of it that people were

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sharing on UFO Twitter so yeah yeah it's

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pretty amazing and he says 100

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the probability and

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um I'm going to play that at some point

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um on this I'll link it to the show

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notes anyway so someone can watch that

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uh you know quite an amazing uh

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interview that he had there also he

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talks about you know the crash material

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that there you know that there is some

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somewhere you know being looked at

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supposedly you know and you know we'll

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see you know I I think uh well

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I'd like to find out more what you feel

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about you know this is kind of your your

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thing and and you know public relations

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what do you think about uh what's been

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happening in the last several years and

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how people are treating this compared to

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the way they used to that's such a big

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question because obviously in the past

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there was just so much ridicule and it

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was also run by entertainment and people

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you know making fun of it making light

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out of it and that's really changed and

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I think that's really wonderful like for

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myself you know I moved into this around

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2017 because I could I could actually

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use my skills and public relations to be

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able to contribute to something of Truth

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and transparency and an issue that I've

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been following for a really long time in

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a counterculture I'm part of so this was

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my place to say you know what uh there's

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tons of wonderful publicists don't get

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me wrong but I said you know I really

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been following this my entire life so

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why not get involved and contribute and

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anybody can but in my way it was like I

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can do it through my field and by 2017

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that happened the ridicule was obviously

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2017 I wasn't able to work on this or

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able to work with any other media after

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that

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so now it's changed immensely and where

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we are now with media is unbelievable

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like Whoever thought we'd be here

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you know and I've been doing a deep dive

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because my uh my presentation in my

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lecture at contacted the desert is about

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media and it's also about government but

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I look at media from a perspective of a

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public relations professional and I look

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at it and how media has observed how his

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media has captured the way that we

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identify UFOs the way that we use our

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lexicon and a lot of us know this if we

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obviously followed Kenneth Arnold's

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first citing that blew up in Life

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magazine that started from a local

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Outlet which is you know our champion

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press which is amazing is these local

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media Outlets that have really

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championed the UFO topic for years not

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always the mainstream so looking at that

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and then looking at like Pulp magazines

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and how it identify how we identify the

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actual look of UFOs and flying saucers

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you know the look and the concept of

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flying saucer did not come from Kenneth

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Arnold the the saying actually came from

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media but the way that it looks actually

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comes from Pulp magazines so deep diving

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into you know before Kenneth Arnold pulp

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magazines all the way down to now where

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the New York times where they first

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started reporting about UFOs about

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Donald Kehoe and having these balanced

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arguments which was really really

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interesting for a mainstream Outlet to

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still pretty much be balanced and

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positive around the topic and then move

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into now that it's been still really

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consistent which I think is wonderful

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for the New York Times it shows that

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they're they're beat that they're

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they've stayed consistent for those many

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years especially around this topic

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and then where we're going to move

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forward with them it's it's really

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exciting and it's been nice to be able

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to to have that to look at media from a

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different perspective not just media

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Clips but media is an entire identity

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and body talking about this in

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Publications

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um and how they're pushing this through

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and how we identify it as people

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let me ask you this an opinion asking

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for your opinion sure what do you do you

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think that

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um if

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this whole movement with the government

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and looking into this topic you know

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pretty seriously and do you think that

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eventually will be able to know their

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findings

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we've seen if past becomes the future

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then right now the past would tell us

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that we won't right yes because we've

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seen that that they won't and we've seen

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multiple press conferences that they've

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done over the years with the art we know

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with the with armed for uh sorry with um

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my God pilots and and you name it from

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from years on for and and still coming

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obviously but I would say that you know

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I'm hopeful that it will change because

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of social media and it's funny we're

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talking about this today because I was

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literally thinking about this this

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morning when I got up you know taking a

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shower sometimes the most interesting

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thoughts and it's because of social

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media I feel that this might change and

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we have the ability to change it because

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the average person now is able to say

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something you know it's not controlled

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by just immediate identities it's not

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controlled by broadcasters it's not

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controlled by the government the way

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that the government does their messaging

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is controlled but the people now have a

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say to push and to push for train

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transparency so I think we might have a

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different outcome compared to what we

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had in the future if we still keep going

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the way we are and people asking for

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more truth and asking questions and

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being able to almost interact with

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people like Sean Kirkpatrick which I

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think is really interesting you know the

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government is looking at UFO Twitter is

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watching podcasts we know that it's the

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media is watching it so out of a

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counterculture it's really unbelievable

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how much

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not control but sway

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I think the UFO Community actually has

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on Publications and in government

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perspectives

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it's not and we don't see that in many

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kind of counter cultures to be honest

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well one of the one of the I guess the I

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don't know if I want to call it a fear

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or a but but one of the thoughts I have

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um that could or may or may not happen

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is that they will use the blanket of uh

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National Security to withhold things

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in other words if they

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I mean how easy would it be for them to

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come out and say uh yes we have proof

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that we're being visited from

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extraterrestrial uh you know a star

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somewhere in our you know uh Galaxy or

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something like that you know I mean how

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how would they actually be able to

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breach that and feel comfortable about

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it or would they just tuck it into well

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that's you know that's going to

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um upset the apple cart so therefore

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it'll affect National Security so we're

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not going to we're not going to uh talk

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about it you know I mean that's kind of

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my thoughts I don't know you know maybe

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I'm I'm totally wrong I mean I think I

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think the world has been getting ready

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to hear uh you know this I do believe I

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do believe that it would be much easier

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than it would have been you know 20

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years ago even five years ago really for

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sure I think that when you're packaging

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something to the masses

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you have to be mindful that the cultural

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impact is still there and I know a lot

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of people are saying we're ready but I

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don't I don't think we are I I say that

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because it's not that the average person

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for us we've gone or going people are

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going through a paradigm shift or we're

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you know we're in one right now or we've

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gone through our entire lives or we've

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thought UFOs are real our entire life

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right like myself for my dad

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so my Paradigm shift's been interesting

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you know and not as drastic I would say

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as people that are you know never ever

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entered this topic so that's Mindful and

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then looking at all the repercussions

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from coming talk talking about that you

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know for an adversary conversations you

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know as I can again we looked at the

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cold war is that going to be used

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against us and very Echoes very similar

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what's happening now I think

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so I think if the government's going to

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package something like that I am not

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opposed to not everyone's gonna like

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this I'm not opposed to a slow drip

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and it doesn't mean I I will I'm going

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to stay away from the Extraterrestrial

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conversation and just specifically talk

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about UFOs because I think that that

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drip is there for a reason where science

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hopefully can catch up and we can then

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talk about this in the most academic

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level and have evidence to back up and

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support it more than we have now even

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though we have a fair amount and tons of

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testimonies and if we're looking at

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crash retrievals you know we're looking

449
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at Gary Nolan parts of the brain right

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that are right right exactly like we're

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seeing things that are in within us that

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might be associated with this so we're

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getting to that point and and hopefully

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I think what Sean Kirkpatrick might be

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doing and this is not my expertise but

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my opinion is waiting for the science to

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catch up because it doesn't mean that he

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doesn't actually follow this and think

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what's happening and all these other

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testimonies testimonies are what are

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going on and he might not believe them

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or believe them we do not know but I

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think what will happen is he wants to be

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able to show that science to have it

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rooted in science so that people take it

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more seriously

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and I agree with that I really do even

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though as much as I love the topic I

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love the science part of it and I think

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it's important because that's how you

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that's how you can attach yourself to

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the average person and explain to them

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maybe what's going on in their Paradigm

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Shift isn't going to be so

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difficult or controversial for them so I

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think that's where you go and then

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people can agree on science most of the

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time yeah right and that's a good place

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to start no I I 100 agree with

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everything you just said that you know

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that's really where you know the facts

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you've got to follow the facts and you

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know so far we don't have that solid

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science yet I mean we have so many

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things that are it's so close you know

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with the um with the experiences people

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have had and whatever type of trace

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evidence there is out there I mean it's

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and we're talking um you know all the

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data radar data whatever

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and visuals and pictures and video and

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all that but uh but we just don't have

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um like when I interviewed Seth shostak

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we don't have that uh crashed UFO in the

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Smithsonian Wing yet you know so maybe

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one day yeah because that's what I asked

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I asked Seth straw stack from seti I

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said what would it take for you to

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believe that we're being visited from

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extraterrestrials I'm not saying we are

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but what would it take for you when you

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said that yeah crashed UFO in the

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Smithsonian Wing in the Smithsonian

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that's what he said oh yeah I I agree

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with you it's going to take some time

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and I I hope I think we'll get to that

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place I think it's not going to be

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anytime soon but we're getting there and

509
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again I think people this topic will

510
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never go away it hasn't gone away for

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like more than 75 years it's for sure

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not going anyway anytime soon so we're I

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think we're at the beginning of some

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Catalyst moments that are going to shift

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science and entertainment too in the

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next five to ten years because

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entertainment can't even keep doing what

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it's doing it's nobody wants to watch it

519
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and we're seeing everybody's going to

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content like this because that's where

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they're getting in the information

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that's where they're getting the news

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and that's where they're feeling

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informed so I think science and

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entertainment will start to pick up and

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that's going to be really exciting

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yeah now you're young-ish okay I'll say

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you're young yeah do you think there's

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young people that are interested in this

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topic do you think what do you see at

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these like for instance contact in the

532
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desert as far as the mixture uh you know

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I I was going to you know um

534
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the UFO Congress you know when I've been

535
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there and I've thought well there's a

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lot of people my age you know I'm older

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and there's not too many young people

538
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but do you think there's and I see so

539
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many young people like the Comic Cons

540
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things like that you know and that are

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they show up at places like that and do

542
00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:00,660
you think they that young people or more

543
00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:02,460
of them are getting involved

544
00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:04,860
uh how does that look to you yeah it's a

545
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,080
great question because I've never been

546
00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:08,640
to contact in the desert this will be my

547
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,440
first time too so I'm not sure exactly

548
00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:12,720
of Their audience but I can speak to UFO

549
00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:15,000
Congress when I started going in around

550
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:19,020
like 25 between 20 and 25 with my dad I

551
00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:20,820
was legitly like the youngest person

552
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:23,460
there and I remember thinking that and

553
00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:25,320
let's be honest like it's in Arizona you

554
00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:26,220
have tons of people that are

555
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,440
snowboarding and want to go to the

556
00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:29,760
conference when it was in February

557
00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:31,140
that's when we would go so you're going

558
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,539
to get a larger demographic of that so

559
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:35,700
you have that as to keep in mind but

560
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:37,320
just in general yeah I was one of the

561
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:39,179
youngest people there and and also one

562
00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:40,740
of the only females which I found was

563
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,980
interesting but yeah uh and there were

564
00:21:48,409 --> 00:21:45,840
there are women but for sure it's more

565
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:48,419
prom predominantly men and it's you know

566
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,240
it's changing so I would say in

567
00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:52,559
conference depending on how the

568
00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,299
conference is presented moving forward

569
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,700
in the future young people will attach

570
00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:58,559
themselves I think because it's in the

571
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,080
mainstream media there are shows like

572
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,720
this there's interest in UFOs I think

573
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:06,799
it's there the really Young Generation

574
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:10,080
they are curious and I asked this like I

575
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:11,880
asked them or I asked my friends that

576
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:14,280
have children I talk to them about it I

577
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,419
had a really good friend of mine that's

578
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,559
a director

579
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:18,480
he called me and he's like my son is

580
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:21,000
doing I forget one type of project if it

581
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:22,860
was an essay or something to that extent

582
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:25,080
and they had said it was on UFOs and he

583
00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:27,240
said can you talk to him so he can quote

584
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:28,919
you in his project and I said yeah 100

585
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,880
let's talk so we were in I think we were

586
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:35,100
on a speaker in in his car and his son

587
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,500
was about 10 years old I believe between

588
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,080
10 and 12. and had these wonderful

589
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:42,480
questions about science in UFOs and I

590
00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:43,740
said to him you know I'm not a science

591
00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:45,539
MPR side and I do more journalistic

592
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,419
stuff but um I can I can speak to the

593
00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:51,120
landscape so we chatted about it and his

594
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:52,500
interest in his questions were really

595
00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:55,140
great in that it made me really hopeful

596
00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:57,020
and I was also really

597
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,159
amazingly surprised with my friend

598
00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:00,720
because I'm like you're a very

599
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:03,000
open-minded father thank you for even

600
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:05,340
going to like sources to fact check

601
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,799
stuff to teach him how to do that and be

602
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,539
able to ask really great questions so

603
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:11,940
when I see stuff like that I it makes me

604
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:13,620
very hopeful I look at like Christina

605
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,220
Gomez for example yeah she's like 20 22

606
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,200
I think super young she's doing a great

607
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:21,120
job yeah and she's trying she's doing

608
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:23,100
her best and she's learning and

609
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,340
navigating so I think it's there and I

610
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:28,320
hope because she's such she's such a

611
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,059
bright young woman like she really is

612
00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:32,039
and I hope that she keeps doing what

613
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:33,480
she's doing and bringing other women

614
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,659
into it around her age and and men but

615
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:37,980
you know it's nice because they're

616
00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:38,940
looking at this from a different

617
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:41,460
perspective than maybe we would and also

618
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,600
they're the ones that are going to move

619
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:44,940
this forward you know I'm I'm 39 I'm

620
00:23:49,610 --> 00:23:47,400
gonna be 40 in January so anyone that's

621
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:49,620
20 years younger younger than me will be

622
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,720
the next guard too we just have to keep

623
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:54,000
educating and keep asking good questions

624
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:55,799
and keep focusing again on science

625
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,299
because I think we'll get our answer is

626
00:24:02,210 --> 00:23:59,460
there and the new generation will be

627
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,220
more inquisitive and new scientists that

628
00:24:05,529 --> 00:24:03,960
are coming in that are young won't feel

629
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,539
so

630
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,580
scrutinized for asking really difficult

631
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,039
or let's say weird as they would

632
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:14,220
classify topics that are Fringe instead

633
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:15,720
it will just become normal which is

634
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,940
exciting yeah I think that is exciting I

635
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:20,280
think we we've seen science sort of turn

636
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:23,159
that way people like Avi Loeb and you

637
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,659
know there's a number of people at the

638
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:27,000
SCU and all that and it's a great thing

639
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,400
because you know we've needed that and I

640
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:30,840
remember when I first started doing the

641
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:34,260
show 12 years ago I was saying you know

642
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:35,940
what's it going to take for science to

643
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:37,620
take a look at this I mean isn't this

644
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:40,919
the most amazing Topic in the world if

645
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,260
it could be cracked you know I mean

646
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:45,360
really where these things coming from I

647
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:46,620
don't care if they're extraterrestrial

648
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:48,299
or if they're coming from the center of

649
00:24:52,210 --> 00:24:49,799
the earth you know wherever they're

650
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,220
coming from it's just an amazing thing

651
00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:55,380
it is because it's an unexplainable we

652
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:58,020
and I just think it would be very

653
00:25:03,409 --> 00:24:59,100
interesting

654
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:03,419
can learn but

655
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:06,360
you know most most people you know we

656
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,659
have to live we have to survive we look

657
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,000
at our phones all day you know we don't

658
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,159
look up in the sky too often you know

659
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:15,840
what I mean so there's a lot of people

660
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:18,720
that this is not even on their agenda in

661
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:22,980
any type of way and if they heard about

662
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:26,400
um there are some people to also that if

663
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,919
you told them oh yeah um there's

664
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:30,480
there was a landing on the White House

665
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,559
law and I'm just saying that because

666
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:33,840
everyone always says it right and um you

667
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:35,940
know so and they would say oh yeah okay

668
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,340
what's for breakfast you know and um I

669
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:40,620
think I have a sister like that now my

670
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:42,360
sisters like that I brought my sister

671
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,740
here

672
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:45,720
um she helped me out when I uh had

673
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:49,500
surgery uh last year and so I sat her

674
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,940
down I said okay we're gonna watch the

675
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,919
Ariel incident the aerial School

676
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,600
incident we're going to watch all this

677
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:55,919
stuff and I'd show her one thing after

678
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:57,480
another one thing after another and she

679
00:26:02,210 --> 00:25:59,460
goes well what's for dinner you know she

680
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:02,220
had absolutely no interest it didn't do

681
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:05,700
anything now my brother-in-law uh PhD in

682
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,260
chemistry Los Alamos labs for 30 years

683
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,260
or whatever it was and I said two of

684
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,080
them I said his name is Wilbur and I

685
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:17,840
said hey Wilbur what do you think about

686
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,120
uh the possibility of extraterrestrials

687
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:23,279
visiting us here on Earth meaning we

688
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,419
said

689
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,580
well you know I think it's very possible

690
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,220
you know and here's a it's just a

691
00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:31,740
purebred scientist and for him to say

692
00:26:35,409 --> 00:26:33,779
that and then my sister who's married to

693
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:35,419
him is like

694
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,760
it's true my family my sister doesn't

695
00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:40,799
doesn't really care for this topic

696
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:42,659
hasn't for years

697
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,700
would say stuff you know like everyone

698
00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:46,740
knows of Paul halyard in Canada the

699
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,500
former um Minister of Defense right that

700
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,120
passed away years ago unfortunately and

701
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,279
such an amazing man and I know people

702
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,500
have their own thoughts I've met Paul I

703
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:57,179
went to his book signings you know I've

704
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,440
sat with him in his house and talked

705
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,360
about UFOs like he's just he was a great

706
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:02,159
man he said yeah I was a gentle giant

707
00:27:06,649 --> 00:27:04,620
and he meant so well and you know

708
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:06,659
everyone called him a kook too and I

709
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,220
remember my sister the one time said the

710
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,840
same thing at a dinner table and I was

711
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:11,580
like well everyone just says he's a kook

712
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:12,539
and I'm like but that's what everybody

713
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:14,100
says around this and this this is before

714
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:16,140
2017 right

715
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,659
so I think that's consistent you know we

716
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,279
hear it all the time it's getting better

717
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,140
but I agree some people just don't care

718
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:24,480
or they say well how does it affect me

719
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,860
and I say well you know if I if the

720
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,299
government comes forward and says

721
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:32,159
multiple could be multiple things

722
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:34,380
doesn't mean it's true but possible

723
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:35,940
theories right they're walking Among Us

724
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,799
they are extraterrestrial they're

725
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:39,059
interdimensional

726
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,679
you know tell me they're they're Time

727
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:42,779
Travelers there's so many I just won't

728
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:45,419
go to work anymore like I just I'd be

729
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:47,700
like I quit like I I to me I laugh

730
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,140
because I'm like why am I working like

731
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,360
why wouldn't I and to be honest I should

732
00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:53,039
probably just live my life the way I I

733
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:55,140
try to live my life the way that you

734
00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:56,940
know if that was the case that I would

735
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,740
still just keep doing podcasting and all

736
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,960
the stuff that I'm doing around UFOs but

737
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,240
a part of me is like I think that

738
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,980
structure would break down because if I

739
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,900
think that lots of people would I'm like

740
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,940
well what if if aliens are walking Among

741
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:10,740
Us and they're here already or things

742
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,360
are going on then there's something

743
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:13,919
going on in the system that I know

744
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:16,980
nothing about then does my reality is it

745
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:19,559
even real and that's the question of

746
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:23,039
many people will have it's a very you

747
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,539
know it's a hard question to ask

748
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:26,100
obviously and people have thought about

749
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,380
it with simulation Theory and that but I

750
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:30,960
think that initially some people will go

751
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,940
okay well whatever I don't care or move

752
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,500
on with their day but some people will

753
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:36,480
stop and really question their existence

754
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,200
and and and wonder and really you look

755
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:42,600
inside and it would slowly kind of think

756
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:44,039
I eat at you

757
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,960
right because you would you would look

758
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:47,760
at everything around you and if the

759
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,380
reality is what you're seeing and what

760
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:50,880
you've been told and what you've learned

761
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:53,580
your entire life that's how I see it and

762
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,539
even though I've gone through the

763
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:56,340
paradigm shift I think about those

764
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:57,900
moments and I always joke around I'm

765
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:59,460
like why am I going to work then like

766
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:01,140
where would I go to work

767
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:03,000
you know I don't think any of us would

768
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,220
and I actually done this as a test with

769
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:07,919
friends when before I bought my house I

770
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:10,380
had a condo and it was uh there was like

771
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,880
a balcony and it was pretty high I was

772
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:13,500
like 10th floor and I would sit with

773
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:15,059
friends on the balcony and they would

774
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,500
ask me questions about UFOs and I said

775
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,960
okay let's do an exercise I'm like let's

776
00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:21,600
look out the balcony and if you saw a

777
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,380
craft you know like hang out in in front

778
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,360
of you for days on end like District

779
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,700
nine would you go to work

780
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,980
and they're like that's a good point I'm

781
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:34,080
like exactly I'm like most people

782
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,120
wouldn't I'm like because you'd be like

783
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:38,640
what is that massive insane craft that's

784
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,460
the size of the moon or larger you know

785
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,679
hanging out on top of I live in Toronto

786
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:45,840
I'm like hanging out you know by the CN

787
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:48,659
tower you you wouldn't go to work like

788
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,279
no I don't think anybody would and if

789
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,559
you did I would question that to be

790
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,720
honest so that's usually we do and then

791
00:29:57,850 --> 00:29:56,220
people stop because you make them you

792
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,860
put them in a position to actually

793
00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:00,360
visualize it and be able to like think

794
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,100
of it and imagine it in front of you and

795
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,559
what that moment would feel like so I I

796
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,480
tried it weirdly enough I try to do that

797
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:10,140
a lot to see how I react to it yeah

798
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:12,539
um have you ever heard of this guy named

799
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:16,200
Donald Hoffman yes yeah yeah yeah

800
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,860
um he basically kind of says in a way

801
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:21,960
that you know whatever we think our

802
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,820
reality

803
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:26,640
um it does not really exist

804
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:30,179
and uh uh so I I encourage someone I

805
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:31,740
mean this guy is really something he was

806
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:35,460
on uh Lex Friedman I think uh but Donald

807
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,340
Hoffman's reality is an illusion and how

808
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,620
Evolution hid the truth

809
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,020
um Lex Friedman I said if you're

810
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,880
interested in any of this topic and

811
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:46,799
you're you're watching this uh I

812
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,500
strongly suggest you listen to this guy

813
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:51,600
it's really fascinating really

814
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:53,399
fascinating really makes you rethink

815
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,340
everything after you listen to that

816
00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:59,159
um here's a question that came uh in the

817
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:01,380
chat here do you think this is from Dr

818
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,960
Richard do you think that the ETS might

819
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,299
design their presentations quote unquote

820
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,360
to get our media to produce content that

821
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,059
furthers their own goals in some way

822
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:14,520
interesting question very interesting hi

823
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:18,059
Dr Richard uh I would say right now we

824
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,620
obviously don't have any evidence that

825
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,179
they're influencing anything that we're

826
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:24,000
doing do I think in the future I think

827
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,559
the only way that you'd ever have an

828
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,240
influence is when you have you know

829
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,700
contact that is National and everybody's

830
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,020
talked about and there's a press release

831
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,600
and you have some form of you know we

832
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,700
use the word disclosure that you know

833
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:37,980
some ET presence is there so no I don't

834
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:39,480
think they're personally interfering

835
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:42,360
with it now but I you never know in the

836
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,740
future if we actually did have contact

837
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,240
but that's why we're putting together

838
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,700
we're looking at legislation like I did

839
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,340
an interview with Danny Sheehan uh two

840
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:52,080
weeks ago or sorry last week my fault

841
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,640
that aired and we talked about

842
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,679
legislation and I had him break down the

843
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,740
legislation with me and that reason why

844
00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:01,200
and again I bring back to social media

845
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,520
and the reason why people are so

846
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,500
wonderful to Champion this topic is that

847
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:06,720
so when we look at exopolitics or

848
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:09,000
anything in legislation we're we're

849
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,860
moving legislation forward for moments

850
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,659
like that of any form of contact and

851
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:14,940
what that's going to look like so we

852
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:16,980
have to make sure as people in North

853
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,679
America say this I am Canadian but I

854
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,080
play him both fields that even in the

855
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:24,539
Canadian side we have a UFO office now

856
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:26,460
that we have to look at that legislation

857
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,220
is actually in in the right space for

858
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,720
the right people and for when that

859
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:32,039
happens and it doesn't mean that

860
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,539
everybody knows but it has to be

861
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:35,760
Collective and I feel that as a

862
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:37,140
community and a Counter Culture we're

863
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,000
generally pretty good at self-governing

864
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:42,480
and asking for truth and looking to make

865
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,720
things properly uh accurate as possible

866
00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:47,279
so I think what we're going to go

867
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,840
through those moments and it's going to

868
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,700
take years but we will get to a form of

869
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,740
legislation at some point that probably

870
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,960
has something to do with that

871
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,520
um at some point when we get into more

872
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:58,320
exopolitics but we're watching like

873
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:00,059
literally the beginning of all this

874
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,140
which I think is really cool and very

875
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,240
important that all of us know what is

876
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,159
going on so that we can have some form

877
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:10,860
of influence or say or just be updated

878
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,019
on what policies are putting forward

879
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:14,880
because people's children and everyone

880
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:16,380
else is going to have to live with us

881
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,260
for years to come right

882
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:21,600
um I I've been trying to get as you as

883
00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:22,740
you know because I've talked to you

884
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:23,820
about this if you're trying to get Danny

885
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,279
Sheehan um my show for a while now

886
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,919
hopefully he will be at some point but

887
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,960
yeah he's uh he's quite an amazing guy

888
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,080
and uh isn't he's a very well educated

889
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:36,419
too right isn't he like oh yeah oh yeah

890
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:38,039
there's something I can't remember yeah

891
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:41,340
Danny is Danny has an outside of UFO

892
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:42,659
related

893
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:45,659
the topics he has championed civil

894
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,940
rights and I have so much perspective

895
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,440
for him he's championed the digits

896
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,720
communities and has done stuff with like

897
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,640
both boarding schools to stop that like

898
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:55,679
it's it's pretty unbelievable what he's

899
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,899
done so outside of that I think he means

900
00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:00,000
really well and he's really looked at

901
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,380
the legislation and he's working with

902
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,539
whistleblowers currently too that have

903
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:06,240
testified to Sean Kirkpatrick so he will

904
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:07,980
probably have a lot more to say in the

905
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:11,700
months to come oh yeah yeah and uh you

906
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:14,220
know I couldn't a lot of people you talk

907
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:16,139
about Sean Kirkpatrick but his name's

908
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:17,879
come up a few times you know when I I

909
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:21,480
was kind of disappointed in Sean

910
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,379
um you know the last I was watching

911
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:26,639
um the hearing

912
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,780
um but

913
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:29,700
you know I mean I also have respect for

914
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:32,220
him too but there was a rumor going

915
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,659
around I wondered if you had heard this

916
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,760
that he himself had had a UFO sighting

917
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,740
did you hear anything about that no I've

918
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,300
never heard that no

919
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,700
well if he did he's probably not going

920
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:43,919
to let anyone know yeah but uh yeah and

921
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,659
that might that might be just just a

922
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,399
plain rumor but

923
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,440
um so

924
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:51,839
um it really would be very interesting

925
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,379
to know what they are hearing that we

926
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:56,879
don't know that they're hearing now I

927
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:58,200
know that there's been some test

928
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,900
testimony and from some people I know

929
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:03,119
that have been on this show that

930
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:05,880
uh for instance Bob Salas and there's a

931
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:08,700
number of people that have uh testified

932
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,240
directly to them and um you know I mean

933
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,800
like you said earlier you know maybe

934
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,900
they believe maybe they don't you know

935
00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:18,240
maybe that's that's where it is at this

936
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:19,940
point but I think this thing about

937
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:22,920
amnesty for the whistle whistleblowers

938
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:25,020
or whatever you want to call it is just

939
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,520
a wonderful thing and I think it really

940
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,040
will loosen up the more people find out

941
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,200
about that

942
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:32,880
um the more I think it's going to be

943
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,540
helpful and uh John Ramirez from the CIA

944
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,000
um he's he's excited about some things

945
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,920
uh according to him you know things are

946
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:43,200
moving along but I don't know for sure I

947
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,060
just had some back and forth with him a

948
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:46,800
little bit that's amazing all right

949
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:49,020
John's John's a gems too and the stuff

950
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:50,700
that he's done in his presentations of

951
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,440
anyone's at a conference go see it

952
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,000
because they're they're really great

953
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,400
like they're really really good

954
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:58,500
um I agree I I you know I think Sean

955
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:01,260
Kirkpatrick's doing his best it's not an

956
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,240
easy place to sit when you have

957
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:06,240
everybody online watching you he knows

958
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:08,099
that yeah again you have so much

959
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:09,960
information and you can only put forward

960
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,900
to Congress or in any hearing uh

961
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,000
information that you feel is validated

962
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,560
and you can show evidence for he's just

963
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,480
doing the best job he can as a scientist

964
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:20,760
so I don't think we all a lot of people

965
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,440
shouldn't rag on him too much for that

966
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,440
because he is trying to work for us and

967
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,940
I know Danny Sheehan said into my

968
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,640
interview that you know it's not

969
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:31,020
reactive he's not going out and

970
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:32,460
searching for it he's having Congress

971
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,500
give him the information instead of him

972
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:36,480
going out and looking at it and so for

973
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:37,980
example like we look at Project Blue

974
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,780
Book we look at project

975
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:41,760
um project sign we look at project I

976
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:44,099
always call it grunge Grudge I know I

977
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:45,300
always call it project grunge I'm like

978
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:46,859
from the 90s I don't always do that all

979
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,770
and then you know we and then we look

980
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:53,940
from atip and everywhere else we've seen

981
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,740
that people have gone out to find this

982
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:58,140
information too it's the opposite and

983
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,820
Danny Sheehan was really correct when he

984
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,200
said that to me and I never thought

985
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,020
about that until last week where he's

986
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:06,240
taking a real passive role which is

987
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,099
interesting he's having people come to

988
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,320
him with stories and analyzing but he's

989
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:12,660
not really out looking for it there will

990
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,859
be one point where there's a public

991
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:15,599
portal and he speaks about that in the

992
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:17,160
hearing so I'm curious to see what

993
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:18,420
that's going to look like and what the

994
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:20,940
protections for privacy will be and what

995
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:23,339
information and we know this in a UAP

996
00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:25,740
space that anything is a public portal

997
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:27,420
I'm more concerned about because you're

998
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,839
getting Mass amounts of data right given

999
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,520
for free and let's be honest there's

1000
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:34,560
more issues related to health concerns

1001
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:37,500
with uaps that could be submitted that

1002
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,820
could potentially I don't want to use

1003
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,560
the word used against us because it's

1004
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,839
such a conspiratorial thing

1005
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,640
um but I know exactly where you're going

1006
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,280
You're right right and that's more of my

1007
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:48,960
concern I'm like who's doing the public

1008
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:51,300
portal is this a private company that's

1009
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,359
doing a portal a public portal is this a

1010
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,980
government thing how is this regulated

1011
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,260
where is the information going who's

1012
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,240
keeping it where is it being stored is

1013
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,920
it access for the general public like

1014
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,599
there's so many questions around that

1015
00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:06,240
that I'm more concerned about personally

1016
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:09,020
than I would say you know right now

1017
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:12,300
let's talk about uh aliens because like

1018
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,220
we're not at that point yet and I don't

1019
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:15,960
think we will be and I know everybody

1020
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:17,700
really wants it in their championing it

1021
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:20,040
but we have to take some time

1022
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,240
um this is the first time he's ever

1023
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:23,040
spoke live so we need to give him time

1024
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,780
to show his efforts and what he's doing

1025
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:26,760
you know he's writing papers with Avi

1026
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,640
Loeb so you know Everyone's a Critic

1027
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:32,640
everyone's gonna somehow be down on him

1028
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:34,020
because people that have been interested

1029
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:35,579
in this topic for years are going to say

1030
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,060
you know alien or ET right but we need

1031
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,800
to wait to see I think more evidence and

1032
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:42,660
obviously I have a science pick up and

1033
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:44,040
then ask questions around what

1034
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:45,420
governments or what the government's

1035
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:47,160
doing again with the public portal and

1036
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:48,540
everything else because to me I think

1037
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:49,800
that's more

1038
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,920
that is way more important I think at

1039
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:55,440
this point because dissemination of

1040
00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:57,660
information is the way that you know

1041
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,359
through media or how all the information

1042
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:02,880
that they're getting is a way to talk to

1043
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,619
the masses or be able to persuade the

1044
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:07,140
masses so we have to be mindful of that

1045
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:10,440
when you when the term is out there like

1046
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:14,339
a lot of people have a sighting and it's

1047
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:17,099
so spectacular and I had the thought too

1048
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:19,619
when I had my sighting was that it's not

1049
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,720
of this Earth You know basically it's

1050
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,940
whatever it is it's it can't be of this

1051
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,380
Earth there's nothing that I could

1052
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:26,880
imagine

1053
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,480
um

1054
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:30,960
but that that being it's it's maybe

1055
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:34,079
alien to us but we can't say that we

1056
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:36,180
know where where they're from whatever

1057
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:39,060
it is we have no idea where where it's

1058
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,400
from whether even though it's alien to

1059
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:43,500
not to us it may not be extraterrestrial

1060
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:46,980
it may be something else but um what I'm

1061
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:49,619
worried about in this public portal

1062
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:51,480
and kind of where I think you were we're

1063
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,180
going maybe not but the wheat from the

1064
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:56,160
chaff you know I mean all they would

1065
00:40:02,810 --> 00:39:59,520
just be absolutely flooded

1066
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,820
um you know for anyone that has have

1067
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:05,520
seen a you know a Chinese lantern you

1068
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:08,280
know on and it would be very very hard

1069
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,099
to sort out I mean you know like Peter

1070
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:13,619
Davenport he's like a one-man band they

1071
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:16,020
should put him in charge of Fielding

1072
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:20,099
that portal you know uh well I look at

1073
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:22,380
private entities like Enigma labs and

1074
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:24,359
you know we don't know much about them

1075
00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:26,280
and they've said they've met Alejandra

1076
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:28,520
Rojas

1077
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,500
yeah I Love Alejandro I just asked

1078
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,480
questions about um transparency with

1079
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:35,220
them and that that's where I ask is

1080
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:38,579
where's your transparency and also uh if

1081
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,720
you're going to be working with Sean

1082
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:41,520
Kirkpatrick creating this public portal

1083
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,800
then we need to see those private

1084
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:45,540
identities if it's not even Enigma Labs

1085
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:47,339
whoever it is what are the transparency

1086
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:49,380
and I like to see it listed I like to

1087
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,400
see what you're going to do with it and

1088
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,960
if you're working with private companies

1089
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:54,000
are they going to be able to be foia are

1090
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:55,380
we going to request foia's from them

1091
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:57,180
because you can't legally

1092
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,339
uh because of private companies they're

1093
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,680
protected that's right right so we need

1094
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,599
to be able to say no this needs to be

1095
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:05,040
foia because this is our information

1096
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:07,079
this is the Publix people information

1097
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:08,820
that's submitting we need to be able to

1098
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,099
know what you know and to have those

1099
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:13,200
conversations too because they can't be

1100
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,540
protected under that under that act or

1101
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:17,280
I'm not sure exactly what it would be

1102
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:19,740
called but they are protected so there's

1103
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,240
lots of loopholes that you can get

1104
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,060
around so I think it needs like a triage

1105
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:26,640
or something something to get you know

1106
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,200
through some filters before it can get

1107
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,300
into something important like that in my

1108
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,220
opinion you know otherwise I mean

1109
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,140
they're just going to be inundated with

1110
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,720
all kinds of and Roxanne Cooks because

1111
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:41,820
there could be you know a lot of

1112
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:44,940
legitimate people but it's just has to

1113
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:47,820
be filtered in that's the only way I can

1114
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:50,820
can put it well my my thoughts to that

1115
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,099
would be now thinking of it would be

1116
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,200
corporate identities are not allowed to

1117
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,119
have any stake in this whatsoever and

1118
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,060
none in the UAP conversation for data

1119
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,680
collecting in Big Data because they can

1120
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:03,900
sell it and make millions to billions

1121
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,599
off people's personal data they can

1122
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:09,060
breach people's trust I would say then

1123
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:10,980
private companies are not allowed to do

1124
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:13,020
it I would say educational institutes

1125
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:14,760
are where this has to be partner with

1126
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,820
Harvard partner yeah partner with them

1127
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:19,740
because they're the ones that will be

1128
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,540
able to look at academically look at

1129
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,460
this and be able to create really strong

1130
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,920
structures whoops I don't know so I was

1131
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,020
trying to put yes put another one up and

1132
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,520
that one came up I accidentally it's

1133
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,380
okay I think that's where we just we

1134
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:33,420
need to go with that and leave corporate

1135
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,920
identities out because the corruption

1136
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,480
we've seen through politics and

1137
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,400
everything else shows us that corporate

1138
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:40,800
is not the way to do these things I

1139
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,940
would say let's leave it to the

1140
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:43,920
academics in education

1141
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,339
here's a question that came in and uh

1142
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:49,200
abduction you know uh whatever

1143
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:51,000
experiences or whatever you want to call

1144
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,160
them that's that's like um

1145
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:55,500
you know I do get into that here here

1146
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:57,420
and there on this show

1147
00:43:02,809 --> 00:42:59,099
um not a lot but every once in a while

1148
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,819
I'll talk about it and uh

1149
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,760
um I have I have mixed feelings about it

1150
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:08,160
abductions

1151
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:09,300
um not

1152
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:12,180
not all of them but

1153
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,740
um I guess the mixed feelings I have

1154
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:15,660
about abductions is the claims that

1155
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:18,780
there's so many of them going on and

1156
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:21,180
there's people are going to get angry at

1157
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:23,160
me but there is

1158
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,780
some some of them have probably do come

1159
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,940
from sleep paralysis but not all of them

1160
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:32,040
I think some of them are definitely

1161
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,680
legitimately something and I'm being

1162
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,300
very careful how I say this because I

1163
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:37,440
know I'm going to get a lot of hate mail

1164
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:40,440
if I say uh that

1165
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:42,060
um all of them are I don't believe all

1166
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,520
of them are uh sleep you know sleep

1167
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:46,680
problems or things like that I think

1168
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:47,700
some of them

1169
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,339
do have an amazing

1170
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,579
you know quality to them and also the

1171
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,160
fact that uh

1172
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,619
if we are being visited by whoever we're

1173
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,660
being visited from I don't think it

1174
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:03,119
would be unusual for them to take a

1175
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,720
specimen and examine and then you know

1176
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:08,400
release or whatever

1177
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:09,900
um so I think you know it is very

1178
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:14,040
possible something's happening but uh so

1179
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:15,720
can we answer this person's question

1180
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:19,440
after my long yeah no deliberation it's

1181
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:20,940
challenging because

1182
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,700
I have a lot of empathy for people that

1183
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,740
have had experiences because I anything

1184
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:27,839
that's real and that creates any form of

1185
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,900
trauma that and you have to find a group

1186
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:32,400
of people that you can relate to because

1187
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:33,900
not everyone's experiencing it that's

1188
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,420
not easy like we've all dealed with some

1189
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:38,460
form of trauma and finding people to

1190
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:41,579
relate to and believe you uh can be very

1191
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:43,260
hard and it can really play in your

1192
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,300
mental health so I feel for any of those

1193
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,640
people that have gone through it I also

1194
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,800
look at some of it as sleep paralysis I

1195
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,839
have a friend recently that said to me

1196
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,640
he had you know he woke up in the middle

1197
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:55,740
of the night Frozen but he had these

1198
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,780
like aliens around him and then he broke

1199
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,359
out of the sleep paralysis and then they

1200
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,819
disappeared so that legitly was sleep

1201
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,920
paralysis for him and I believe that

1202
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,720
some elusive dreaming is part of it for

1203
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,060
so for sure there's something going on

1204
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:12,240
there but there is a small group a very

1205
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,740
very small group as well that are having

1206
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:16,500
experiences and are they related to to

1207
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,380
UFOs yes is there an E.T phenomenon

1208
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,660
potentially related to it yes we don't

1209
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:23,760
know it also could be many other things

1210
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:25,980
that we have no idea about or of any

1211
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:28,260
perception to what's actually happening

1212
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,780
and who knows if it's interdimensional

1213
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:32,280
like it could be something totally

1214
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,619
outside of the UFO topic that is just

1215
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,440
somehow connected but there's something

1216
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:40,020
going on and I don't know what it is and

1217
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,460
I think that we will come to a point

1218
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,900
where we will hopefully figure it out

1219
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,599
and this is why I love like love Gary

1220
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:48,000
Nolan's work for like looking at the

1221
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,619
center of the brain and there's an area

1222
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:51,960
called the katipotainment that's he's

1223
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,800
been able to identify that hereditary uh

1224
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,839
hereditarily like people have this in

1225
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:00,119
their brain and so it's enlarged we all

1226
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,440
have it but people that have had

1227
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,300
multiple different experiences have an

1228
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,640
over large cardi battainment and so

1229
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:07,380
that's really interesting are they and

1230
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:09,180
then the question to that is are they

1231
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:11,160
able just to see it and perceive it

1232
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,339
because of the overarchediatement

1233
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:16,319
um or is it just happening to them

1234
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:18,060
because of the large body containment

1235
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:19,980
like there's so many questions so I

1236
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,720
think Gary Nolan's on the right track

1237
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,720
and I will forever follow him and try to

1238
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,160
speak with him about that because I

1239
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,980
think the neurology is a huge part of

1240
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:31,319
how we experience anything related to

1241
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,000
UFOs and ETS

1242
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:36,420
yes and you know one more thing on the

1243
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:39,720
abduction part I have to say that

1244
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,680
I can only use my empathy like in this

1245
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:46,319
way to say that if something like that

1246
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,140
was happening to me yeah and I really

1247
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,119
thought I was being abducted by aliens

1248
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,920
and going on the ship and being examined

1249
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,720
or whatever and they could do it anytime

1250
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,060
they wanted it wanted I don't know how

1251
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,980
I'd function in life I don't think I

1252
00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:00,960
could I don't think I think the whole

1253
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:03,560
rest of my life would be just a blur and

1254
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,500
uh full of fear so I do have empathy for

1255
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:09,599
those people that are going I don't I

1256
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:11,339
don't know how they would do it if this

1257
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:13,560
is what they think is going on and how

1258
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:15,960
scary is that and if nobody believes you

1259
00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:18,540
having something done to you just not

1260
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,819
even inside of the UFO topic for anyone

1261
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:22,319
to relate and says well I don't believe

1262
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:24,420
them it's like well if you had anything

1263
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:26,339
done to you that was negative and you

1264
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,720
went and told somebody and they just

1265
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,079
said nah whatever

1266
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:32,940
you would be traumatized and you're like

1267
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:35,819
I'm not believed in any capacity so take

1268
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,380
that experience if you've never believed

1269
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:39,300
and then you know times it by a hundred

1270
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,940
to something that you can't even explain

1271
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,440
so that that's how I look at so I listen

1272
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,940
to people I let them tell their stories

1273
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:46,500
because for them it's real and that's

1274
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:49,020
just as important as it being a real or

1275
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,859
unsure of what it is yeah right uh

1276
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,960
here's another one from Dr Richard if

1277
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,359
the ETS are compelling the cover-up on

1278
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:59,760
the pain of some of the awful punishment

1279
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:01,859
then wouldn't the government

1280
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:04,500
be right to cover up the phenomenon

1281
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,359
I guess that's the question is health

1282
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,520
concerns right are they we know that in

1283
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:10,560
Project Blue Book I believe and lots of

1284
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,579
other

1285
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,440
um information and data that has been

1286
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,599
collected around UFO experiences that

1287
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:17,940
have been extremely negative and harmful

1288
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:20,520
and people dying from other obviously

1289
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,180
radiation and dying of cancer so yeah we

1290
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,920
don't hear of that you know I believe

1291
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,900
Jacques valet when he did one of the

1292
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:29,700
first databases a lot of that

1293
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:31,560
information I believe could potentially

1294
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,140
be in there and so that's a concern and

1295
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,240
he's mentioned that that is a concern

1296
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,000
for him is the health concerns not so

1297
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,160
much the other information the health

1298
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,800
related information so yes that that

1299
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,540
could be possible that they don't want

1300
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,520
to share as much as they know because

1301
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:49,140
they're scared to scare they're scared

1302
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:50,940
of scaring people because they're not

1303
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,180
sure what this is potentially and if you

1304
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,920
can't know what something is and it is

1305
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:58,020
hurting people how do you temper the

1306
00:49:02,569 --> 00:48:59,819
public with that

1307
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:02,579
right right well unfortunately I'm not

1308
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,660
going to be able to make it out to the

1309
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,700
contact in the desert the things I took

1310
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:07,440
on a project and it would have been

1311
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,060
really fun to hang out with you but we

1312
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:11,520
have just a about four minutes left here

1313
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:13,800
so let's talk a little bit about that

1314
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:16,140
you know some of the speakers and uh

1315
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,380
where this is in what's the name of the

1316
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,119
town in California yeah that's right

1317
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:23,640
Indian Springs yeah yeah it's a by the

1318
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,540
Palm Desert out there so yeah so you

1319
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,880
must be excited to go there's gonna be a

1320
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,800
lot of people oh yeah I'm super excited

1321
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:34,319
it's a real collection of people which

1322
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,359
is interesting it's not everyone that I

1323
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,160
would always go to see in a conference

1324
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:41,420
so I'm curious It's well put

1325
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,119
I know I I agree yeah it's it's and I'm

1326
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:46,980
open-minded So and I've heard other

1327
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:49,800
people speak so I'm I will sit in one's

1328
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,180
lectures that I wouldn't generally

1329
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:53,280
always go to because I'm open-minded and

1330
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:54,540
curious

1331
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,640
best part about the UFO community in

1332
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,200
these type of conferences and you know

1333
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:02,880
Martin is you get to meet people in real

1334
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,359
life which I think is amazing yeah and

1335
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,920
then you also get to if you've seen

1336
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:10,020
their work or follow it meeting them in

1337
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:11,640
real life you get to really realize

1338
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:13,800
you're like oh this is like a totally

1339
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,240
different perception of them and

1340
00:50:19,309 --> 00:50:16,800
sometimes it is what you thought and

1341
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,319
sometimes it's totally different so to

1342
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:21,480
me that's getting closer to truth too is

1343
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:22,980
when I get to meet those people that

1344
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:25,020
have been doing this research and also

1345
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:26,819
just like thank a lot of them because

1346
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,560
I've followed their careers for so long

1347
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:30,960
and you know they've added so much to my

1348
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,420
life so that's I'm excited and to be

1349
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,040
honest I know how controversial Graham

1350
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:37,859
Hancock is but as a publicist when you

1351
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:39,720
get to talk to him it makes me excited

1352
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:42,660
because I do I like Graham Hancock I

1353
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,960
know he is controversial but um I

1354
00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:48,240
recently watched a series on Netflix and

1355
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:50,420
I said bye golly I like this guy yeah

1356
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,140
he's very very likable yeah so uh and

1357
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:57,359
and he really does you know put some

1358
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,300
things out there to really Ponder you

1359
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:03,000
know about our ancient civilizations and

1360
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,440
things like that it's very very

1361
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:07,020
interesting and I don't think you know

1362
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:11,400
uh that that's not 100 science

1363
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:14,220
um to to Discount everything he says

1364
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:16,260
because there's a lot of things I think

1365
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,700
we're going to find out in the future

1366
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:20,160
about our past that we don't know yet

1367
00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:22,200
and they'll have to rewrite the book so

1368
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:23,940
that they don't want to do but they will

1369
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:26,280
have to rewrite the books I do think 100

1370
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:29,819
agree and it's nice to see somebody who

1371
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,520
has such stature to a degree right he's

1372
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:35,040
very well respected open-minded to

1373
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,540
coming to different types of conferences

1374
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,579
like this too so it's you know it's a

1375
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:40,559
new Evolution and this is a new way of

1376
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,880
the contact in the desert because it has

1377
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,880
new ownership now and yeah and it will

1378
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,680
move forward and potentially it's going

1379
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:49,680
to grow tomorrow futurism and science so

1380
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,720
we'll see that and maybe what's going to

1381
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:54,000
happen is we'll see these worlds that

1382
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:56,220
are generally more Fringe and science

1383
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:57,720
come together and maybe potentially

1384
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,339
contact in the desert in the future will

1385
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:01,319
be that meeting place where we can find

1386
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:02,940
that middle ground which would be really

1387
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:06,900
nice yeah well uh Chrissy thank you so

1388
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:09,480
much it's been a real pleasure and don't

1389
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:13,800
forget to get me Dan Sheehan well we've

1390
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,859
sent him a message so yeah Dan's a hard

1391
00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,480
one to get a hold of he's a hard one to

1392
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,339
track down it took me a while too took

1393
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,619
me meeting him in real life you know to

1394
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:24,720
to finally get that interview so I 100

1395
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:28,140
we will try our best all right oh thanks

1396
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,319
very much and have a blast uh at contact

1397
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,119
in the desert awesome good to see you

1398
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,300
Martin okay take care bye all right

1399
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:37,920
everyone so thank you so much for

1400
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:41,220
watching our guest next week is uh Ron

1401
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,460
James and at seven o'clock and thank you